Wednesday, September 10, 2008

Did He Get What He Deserved?

While watching Werner Herzog's documentary, Grizzly Man, we noted the words of one man interviewed who claimed that Timothy Treadwell, someone who studied and lived with grizzly bears, "got what he deserved".

What do you think of this statement?

In Roger Ebert's review of the film, he quotes the director, Herzog, as saying, "I believe the common character of the universe is not harmony, but hostility, chaos and murder."

Ebert goes on to reveal his own opinion of Timothy Treadwell:
I have a certain admiration for his courage, recklessness, idealism, whatever you want to call it, but here is a man who managed to get himself and his girlfriend eaten, and you know what? He deserves Werner Herzog.

16 comments:

Miles said...

As someone who has been within five involuntary feet of a black bear I think I'd rather not screw with one of mother natures most ferocious creatures. Timothy Treadwell had flawed judgment going into Alaska and taping himself within inches of dangerous bears and then presenting these images to children. What are these kids being taught, that its ok to make peace, love and happiness with these dangerous bears. The guy was a loony.
I think Treadwell went into the Alaska interior with flawed thinking, just like Chris McCandless. I don't feel that bad for Treadwell though as much as I do for his girl friend. At least McCandless only killed himself.
It saddens me to think that there are so many idiots out there that would put themselves in these life threatening situations. In the end justification is always the answer and ignorance is bliss. These two knuckleheads put themselves in stupid, stupid situations without hardly thinking about it. I'm not saying they deserved to die, but I'm certainly not condoning their actions.

Jerbear said...

I dont think its that he got what he deserved, I think that its more of he got what he wanted. I think he kept going back to the wilderness to see how far he could push it, but he still knew that it could turn out fatal, and I think he knew someday it would. He kept on commenting on the differences between the human world and the bear world, and he wanted to end his life with the "friends" he thought he belonged with.

Kate H said...

I have to dissagree with Jerbear,I think its not what he wanted. I think he would have rather been killed by a crazed human than a bear. He would have never wanted to put that bad press on the bear community. At the end of the documentary he rants for about 4minutes on how he hated people,constrictions and rules. I do agree with the fact that he did like to push the limits.

Jillian F said...

I have to agree with Kate, but I also think that he was exoecting to die. Everytime he went into the wild with the bears, he said that if I dont come back, this is how I want to die. I don't think that he would have wanted to be killed by the bears, because he thought that the bears were his friends and he even says that he loves them. How could you want to be killed my someone or something that you love? Even if they didn't love him back he still wouldn't have wanted to be killed by them. I think that he would have rather been not killed or killed by a natural death.

Julia said...

Timothy had his own way of living life and he wanted to live it in the wild with all of the bears. I dont think that saying "did he get what he deserved" is the right thing to say because this is what Timothy wanted to do. I dont think that he deserved to die because he was trying to make a statement about bears and to protect them. He said that if he didnt come back, that was how he wanted to die. He lived with the bears because that was what he loved to do and he believed that they were his friends. Just like Chris McCandless wanted to live in the wild because that was his way of life that he wanted to live. I dont think that Chris deserved to die, but both Chris and Timothy set out on a journey that they wanted to do, and dying was just a part of the journey that they both took. Timothy went every year for 13 years to the same place where all the bears were because he knew that what he was doing may be dangerous, but he loved it and that is why he went back every year. I think that if he was so afraid to die, he wouldn't have gone back for all those years. Timothy had his mind set to living with the bears and that is what he wanted to do. He did not deserve to die, but i think that he knew that one day, it would happen out there.

Ellery R said...

I agree with Julia. Timothy Treadwell did what he wanted to do. He spent his time in the place he was happiest, with the bears he tried to protect. He made it clear that if he had to, that was the way he wanted to go, helping the bears even in his death. I think that more people would have an easier time thinking of it that way, if Timothy's girlfriend had not also died. I think this because even in our class disscusion it seems that people have this automatic reaction to victimize her. They paint this picture of Timothy caveman style throwing her over his shoulder and dragging her into the wildernes, where he forced her to be with him and the bears. I think people forget that she had a choice. She was a grown woman, no one made her go with him, she chose to face her fears and be with him.

Gutty The Great said...

I think what Miles said was completely unfair to Treadwell. First of all, how was Treadwell's judgement flawed? At the start of the movie he acknowledged how powerfull these animals were. He clearly was knew a great deal about Bears. Come on, how could have he survived for 13 summers without getting mauled. So how is he a "knucklehead"? He was a passionate man who pushed the extremes to do what he loved. And if you think about it, Treadwell was so close to surviving the trip and coming out on top. When he died, all of the Bears he knew were hibernating. He was mauled by an older desperate Bear. Saying that Treadwell's judgement was flawed is a flawed comment in itself. He obviously knew what he was doing. One unlucky event just happened to do him in.

walt said...

I agree with Miles, I believe that Treadwell knew a little about bears, but not enough to stay out there. He might of survived for 13 summers but in my opinion the only reason he survived this long is because the bears simply ignored him. They saw him and knew he wasn't doing anything so they decided to just stay away. He was not smart and in the end, his judgment led to his downfall. I believe that this bear that killed him finally got sick of all that Treadwell was doing, and was hungry, so he just decided to eat him. No normal human being would walk a foot away from a bear and hold his hand out. That is just stupid and you are asking to get eaten.

Frettzilla said...

i completely disagree with walt. first of all the bear that killed him was a bear that he had not been around and was migrating north for the winter. he was not a stupid person he just got caught at the wrong time. and how can you say that the bear just got sick of him and decided to eat him, that is just stupid. treadwell was a smart person that knew bears and had been along side them for many years. he did not deserve to die because he was following a passion of his.

Frettzilla said...

walt how can you say that he was not thourghly informed on how to survive out there. he survived for 13 years.

KP said...

If we could exercise a little common sense that would be terrific. Bears don't need protection in a National Park & Preserve. Wild Bears, wild means untamed, undomesticated and uncontrolled. Bears he "knew" or bears he didn't - you don't walk up to 10-12ft, 1500lb animal and sing - song "I love you." There is nothing scientific in that approach. He didn't survive 13 summers because he was the "Bear Whisperer" with this innate ability to understand the Ursidae. Your lack of recognition makes it no less true. The Bears didn't care enough, weren't aggravated enough or hungry enough prior or this event. Walking up to a 12ft 1500lb carnivore sing song-ing I love you it's not a sign of intelligence. He was passionate but that passion was misguided. Kids learn by mimicry, and just saying don't do this is meaningless. I'm not going to say he got what he deserved. But unfortunately, I do have to say, he asked for it. 13yrs. with no prior events, God watches over fools and babies. Timothy Dexter Treadwell was no baby.

skagman said...

I don't think anyone deserves to be eaten alive by anything I think that is a silly question in my view. I've had my right calf ripped off by a German Shephard dog and it doesn't feel nice.

Anyone that says he deserved it is evil. Alright he was misguided and his way of thinking was flawed but to say being ripped to pieces for that is just brainless and obsolutely idiotic!

Anonymous said...

Come on people there is no debate here,watch the documentary you will see the man is a complete loony.Would you walk in front of a speeding bus and say stop! i love you,i think not.End of.

rlhoneycutt79 said...

Any way you want to put it. His girlfriend expressed her fear. She wanted to go home. Because this idiot thought he was the "bear whisperer" he ignored ereything he had learned over the years. Wanna push the limits? Do it on your own! Not when someone is placing their life in your hands and you decide to gamble.

rlhoneycutt79 said...

He should have left. He knew it was dangerous. He pushed to far. It cost two people borrible deaths

rlhoneycutt79 said...

Horrible...u got it